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Where Is the Line Between Fine Art & Fine Craft?


Where Is the Line Between Fine Art & Fine Craft?

 

 

 

All Things Rappahannock, a watercolor with pen & ink, was made into a scarf to sell for charity.

 

Is this fine art, decorative art, wearable art....?

Is the original painting decorative art or fine art?

Once it is made into a scarf, would it be considered wearable art or is that designation for something that is made by hand and is original?

 

 


Ruthie, where's the line between fine art and fine craft (e.g.,  American Craft Council )? When an artist creates in any medium, it's no longer a function of iron, wood, leather, wool or any other guild group. Does it even matter anymore? I know that it matters to craft creators who are fiercely proud of the craft designation. Who else cares and what's the difference?

 

  Sidney Oliver

 


As usual, this is my opinion without any knowledge of the American Craft Council and I might be way off base. Sid, you are the one who would know about the designation of what constitutes a craft. I, on the other hand, am guessing, and I seem to be asking more questions than answering them.

 

Why don't you weigh in and show me where I am wrong?

 

Let me add more in the mix. What about Decorative Art? Wearable Art? The mixture of Performance Art & Visual Art?

 

Is there a line between what is functional vs. what is purely aesthetic or is the line blurred?

 

Is there a distinction between what is one of a kind vs. duplicates produced in an assembly-line fashion?

 

Where are photographs in this equation?

 

Having lived near Penland, the Southern Highland Craft Guild, Arrowmont, and the John C. Campbell Folk School, I'm familiar with beautiful crafts. I've visited Kelmscott Manor, the home of William Morris and considered the father of the Arts & Crafts movement, and I've attended symposiums on Decorative Art.

 


Where do magnificent frescoes, such as one of my favorite places in all of the world, fit? Berwick Church is completely enhanced with murals painted by Duncan Grant and Vanessa Grant during WWII. Please read about the wonderful work and click on Bloomsbury in Berwick at the top to read the entire story. For a 360 degree look, click here.

 

 

Berwick Church, murals painted by Duncan Grant & Vanessa Bell

 


Why not go at this another way? We usually think of the artist or artisan, not the viewer or one who purchases the items.

 

Tell me the difference between these two types of buyers:

A. The couple who walk into a gallery asking for a sofa painting or, as happened to me during the RAAC art tour, a burgundy-colored painting. 

B. The couple who fall in love with a painting with no idea where they will put it.

 

To me, Couple A are buying purely for the sole purpose of being decorative. They need to fill a space on the wall.

 

 

 

Former Ambassador to Poland (2004-2009) Victor Ashe with his wife, Joan, in the Polish Embassy in 2005

 

 

Space be damned to Couple B. They just love the painting and they'll figure out some place to put it or as Joan Ashe, the wife of Ambassador Victor Ashe, told me while she and Victor were purchasing a nest painting, "We'll put it in the powder room. That way everybody will see it."

 

 

 

Colonel John Bourgeois directing the Bourgeois Concert Band at Avon Hall (July 2018), Washington, VA

 

The same can be said of Colonel John Bourgeois, the Director Emeritus of "The President's Own" United States Marine Band. Without any idea of where to place a piece of artwork, he buys. He buys because he has fallen for the painting. He might not have an inch of unfilled wall space in his house, but he loves every single piece he has. Here he is in my studio checking out one of his purchases.  

 

Painters love collectors like the Ashes and John Bourgeois simply because they know the work is cherished and appreciated for the sake of creation and not because it fills a space for the sake of decoration.

 

Question: Is the integrity of a painting lessened if it was purchased only for decoration? Probably not, but it's worth reminding ourselves to aim for what moves us rather than something we need to fill a gap on a wall.


We have another avenue in the fact of whether a useful item, such as a craft, can be fine art, fine craft, or just a thing of beauty.

 

 

 

One of Kat Habib's lovely ceramic pieces that I use as a coffee mug.

Her work can be found on her website: Kat Habib|Ceramics

 

 

Kat does such exquisite work. Each piece is an original.

 

In the past, I always thought if something was produced in assembly-line fashion and made to look exactly like the one made before as well as after, it was more in the realm of craft than fine art. Therefore, a potter who produced 10 identical bowls would be a craftsman and not a fine artist. Today? I'm not sure. 


I've considered some of my paintings decorative art and not fine art. You might disagree, but am I any more right simply because I'm the creator? Thus, are we forced to take the artist's word for it? If so, how many cans of worms does that open? 

 

Below are two examples of my work I consider decorative and not fine art:

 

 

The Louvre

 

I would consider all of my pen & inks in the decorative line.

 

 

 

Even though this ceiling piece is composed of four 36" square panels and it took a lot of time to prepare the background, in my mind, this is purely decorative.

In case you missed the post on the process of creating this, click on Compelled to Create Part I

 


 

Surely, there are other entities I could list, but I'm of the opinion that the line is blurred with a lot of overlap even though there is a definite distinction between all forms of art. They all take a creative spirit, a good eye, and a good hand inventing and guiding them.

 

I'm thrilled that I am not the person who is forced to make these classifications.

 

Enjoy the process!

 

 

  Ruthie Windsor-Mann


This post is part of a series of Q & As between Ruthie Windsor-Mann and Sidney Oliver. 

 

We invite the reader to join in with other questions in the comments section. This needs to be interactive in order to work.

 

All photographs are by Ruthie Windsor-Mann unless otherwise credited.

 

 

Copyright 2019 Ruthie Windsor-Mann All Rights Reserved

 

 

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7 Responses to Where Is the Line Between Fine Art & Fine Craft?

I'm hardly one to pontificate on this. Now I've been aware of the Great Divide since I first ran into Paul Revere's master silverwork, but being a former potter, a bead maker, and a total bead freak, I was slammed into it when I found Liza Lou and Jackie Scott, two very talented bead artists. See https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-6-artists-turning-beads-spellbinding-works-art for a far more instructive discussion of this particular medium and art than I can contribute.

So I think the old distinctions are decaying, and in many ways, I'm all for it. I want to honor the fine crafters in the American Craft Council (and others like them) who are fiercely dedicated to the name "crafter." I am offended when "craft is SIMULTANEOUSLY applied to the mother-goose-and-ducky decoration AND the creations of these distinguished artists, because that muddling doesn't help the average consumer understand what she or he is seeing.

Your response is excellent because it throws a lot of other considerations into the debate. I also appreciate it that you include some of your own work in answering the questions involved in this discussion. I continue to learn from you.

PS: I want to acknowledge with gratitude the leadership of the Renwick Gallery (Museum) in Washington, DC, in advancing this debate. It even features quilters(!) and the humble glass beadmaker. See for instance https://www.kristinalogan.com/bio

Whew! I'm happy I haven't stepped on any toes here. I'm trying to answer these questions off the cuff based on my experience and thoughts. I kind of do a stream of consciousness thing here. I also want to do things I can illustrate with images such as the photos of the Ashes and John Bourgeois. Using those was a bit different, but it was fun for me to track them down as I want to use all of my own photographs on this blog. Any of us can do research to see what the experts say. It's kind of fun for me to see if I'm extremely off-base. I feel excellent work, regardless of the medium, is the key.

If your comments here are "off the cuff," what could you contribute by consideration? See, I don't accept the "off the cuff" characterization. If I thought that all we'd get here would be off the cuff, I'd feel short-changed. Sorry. This is my way of saying that I think you sell yourself short when you say that. I think you give us all something to think about because you think about it all.

Perhaps "off the cuff" is the wrong characterization. I try to not do any research for the answers to the questions you are asking. Yes, dates or something like that, but that's about it in the research department. I feel anyone can look up some of this and regurgitate it back. That's not my purpose. I'm not in a classroom here whether as a teacher or as a student. That being said, some of the answers to your questions are actually thought of at that instant I'm writing and it's kind of fun---kind of like a lightning round.

So I think this is a very helpful clarification. You are coming from your personal experience which, after all, is what we want from you.

Yes. Someone who has read portions of the blog said how much research I had done. I'm sure I raised my eyebrows and looked at them askance. These are my personal opinions, which could be subject to change or shifting about a little, which are based on my experiences of having been in the field since 1970 and longer if you count having grown up with an artist mother. So far, I have used my own photographs and will continue to do so unless I give credit elsewhere. As stated earlier, I might have to check a date or spelling and links need to be authenticated. This is more of a test to see what I've got and how my analogies pan out. I'm sure I differ from other artists in certain areas and that's fine. We wouldn't be artists if we were all the same.


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